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my husband does most of the pickups and dropoffs and I only do them if he absolutely can't. He says he likes getting out of the house and I think he likes tooling around in his pickup truck. Beep beep.

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this is very richard scary, I love it.

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it is a pickle with wheels in fact

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7 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey

I hope your neighbor is that worm in the apple car.

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I had a stuffed Lowly the Worm as a kid. Least cuddly stuffed animal ever.

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10 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey

My son just go this license on Tuesday (!!) and he just offered to drop off his sister at theater class! It's HAPPENING!

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this is what you were working for all this time.

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I am counting the days until this day- as my oldest is not even 8, it feels like a WHILE!

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14 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey, Kathleen Donahoe

It's wild to me that people so passionately follow rules that are entirely arbitrary. And in fact, will take time out of their days to publicly criticize people who don't follow those rules.

No. One. Knows. If. Your. Underwear. Has. Creases. It's _under_ your other clothes! That's why they call it underwear!

Anyway. I don't do any of the silly "boosterthon" activities for school. Everyone seems to have forgotten that the whole point is raising funds for new playground equipment or whatever. Now it is this performative series of rituals we parents need to do-- bake sale, fall fun fair, charity walk, etc. Now they've added social media and video campaigns. I refuse to know what a "dude perfect" is. I still have dignity. So instead, I write a big fat check and ignore all calls to participate in my own ritual abasement.

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my mom told me she thinks it's 'sad' people don't iron anymore. OK?? Sorry to let you down? (Also I don't really own clothes that need to be ironed anyway.)

Something I was proud of when my kids did a booster thon thing that sent home stupid "prizes" we didn't ask for was change our home address to that of the local Goodwill. Save me a trip.

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13 hrs agoLiked by Kathleen Donahoe

My mom used to say passive aggressive things about how she ironed our clothes when we were small and I said "I'm really sorry you felt pressured to spend your time that way."

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Haaaaaahaha

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14 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey, Kathleen Donahoe

My mom was simply horrified my children weren't learning cursive. HOW WILL THEY SIGN CHECKS?

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12 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey

Fun fact: there's no requirement that a signature on a check or any other legal document is in cursive! Your signature can be whatever you want! Including just your name in print!

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10 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey

My brother is a notary and his signature **includes a smiley face**. It's his official signature!

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7 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey

Wait this is the most badass thing ever. Love it.

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that's hilarious! So that's on people's wills and shit?!

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10 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey

This is basically what we told my mom - "they can just make a big letter X if they want!" The horrification intensified. Lol.

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my dad still can't get over the fact that I never got up on water skis. I started lying to him and said "I did it thanks to your advice. I just sat back like it was a chair. It was so fun!"

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So, a few weeks ago I was in a waiting room and overheard some teenagers stressing about how to have a signature with minimal cursive instructions. I dropped a bomb that they could start their capital W from the top and that they could really do whatever they want since signatures are made up anyway.

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If it helps, my kid had 2 years of cursive in elementary school (old school teachers FTW) but never really learned it and he can’t even read it. I remember struggling mightily to remember how to do it when I had to write and sign some kind of oath when taking the LSAT I think, a million years ago (and I was drilled in it for years). Cursive is for the birds (and those with beautiful penmanship).

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10 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey

What this is genius.

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Maybe she thinks the iron will be lonely?

That's a real pro-tip about the boosterthon prizes. I'll have to keep that in my back pocket.

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I don't own anything that really needs ironing, my husband wfh, and my kids are kids so I maybe ironed 2-3 times a year at most, but for picture day I bought my 10 y.o. a collared shirt that looked wonky after washing so I taught him to do it! And he loved it! Very "satisfying," his favorite word right now.

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10 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey

I didn't even mention ironing because it's so far out of my mind haha. I do iron an occasional rayon dress for myself. But this is great to know that next year my kid can learn to iron his own shirt (for like once a year that he wears a collared shirt) if he wants to. My husband has probably not worn an ironed shirt to work in his entire career (how long we've been together lol).

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Rayon is the worst! I have found that squirting my one and only rayon blouse with water makes the wrinkles magically disappear without a need to search for that damn ironing board. I try to do it ahead of time, but if it’s warm out it doesn’t really matter.

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We signed up for Trunk or Treat (last year theme was Holly Jolly Halloween and it was a mashup of Xmas and Halloween because I refused to do/buy anything extra)... had an email last night from the organizer of this year to inquire about our theme and had the pleasure of telling her that the theme is... Halloween. And bless, her response was like, "well that makes sense, it is Halloween after all". So I do the bare minimum of shit at the school when it's things that are easy enough.

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10 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey

<rushes to sign up to send "napkins and paper plates">

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Dude that is fucking genius (giving them the address to Goodwill).

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this makes me LAUGH SO HARD! Love that it goes straight to Goodwill!!

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"dude perfect" is 100% the opposite of dignity. (also I think school fundraising is completely a scam , right there with you)

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I have nothing to do with any parent groups at school. There are so many parents who care SO MUCH, and I thank them and applaud them.

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PREACH re Boosterthon! I hate it so much.

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15 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey, Kathleen Donahoe

Ooh I can’t wait to read the comments on this one (and decide what needs to be dropped next). I don’t do laundry. Period. When my husband is away traveling, he does it before he leaves and also provides written instructions on how to operate the machine should I need it (and my toddler lets me know when I’m not doing it like daddy). This is one of my greatest marital victories.

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Oooh I love him doing it before he leaves. That's the inverse of my friend who used to cook extra before she left town in case her husband couldn't figure it out (I think/hope she quit doing that)

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Sri, this is BRILLIANT.

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15 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey, Kathleen Donahoe

I don’t cook (including school lunch) or go to the grocery store!!! My husband is a great cook who enjoys it, and why would I buy food I don’t know what to do with? I don’t wrap presents either because, again, it’s not my strong suit. I stopped folding underwear ages ago. My 8 year old purposefully just jams all her clothes in her drawers and I don’t care. I think it’s a small bit of autonomy she appreciates. Jam on, sister.

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yes!! I know some people do like having nicely done underwear drawers but that is not me. Also someone said she enjoyed how I didn't gaf about having matched socks. Hello? They were both Bombas so they matched to me.

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JAM ON just kind of made me emotional? gonna be my motto today.

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My husband does the cooking and the buying of food, too! He loves it! I usually have to cook once a week, but I weasel around that by doing things like "Toast Night" or Carbonara which only takes one pan and 7 minutes.

My kids do their own laundry (after constant reminders from me, but still) and I just discovered that my 10yo doesn't match his socks. I don't think I can let this one stand.

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I am intrigued by "Toast Night."

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I honestly can't believe there are people out there that fold underwear haha. No hate to those that do, I just can't imagine it staying in that state very long in my house.

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12 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey

What I really love about this piece is that it very clearly IS NOT about how women should do less and their partners/men should do more. I so rarely see the blanket advice of “do less” without increasing expectations of people you share a life with.

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Jeanne, I so appreciate this comment. Thanks for this- it articulated something that I haven't been able to.

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13 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey, Kathleen Donahoe

I own an iron. BUT I am a quilter and it is an expensive and fancy iron, and you are not allowed to touch it unless you are given explicit permission and know how to use it properly!! It falls under the same category as fabric scissors and everyone in the house (except maybe the 20 month old) knows this and respects it under pain of death.

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14 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey, Kathleen Donahoe

This is perhaps gendered, but I don’t do yard work. I have never mowed a lawn in my whole life. 😅

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same. And I don’t do flowers/plants. I think probably because my mom gives a shit about them, I don’t. I’m probably playing myself since allegedly it’s so good for mental/physical health but I can only keep so many things alive

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13 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey

Hard same. I love flowers. My involvement with the flowers is that I go with on the "purchasing flowers" trip every May and then my husband keeps them alive or not. I will not be stepping in.

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13 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey

I don't do yard work either! My mom said that it wasn't worth teaching me to mow or use the weedeater, because she'd have to pay for the emergency room. My husband has grown to like it, because he can put his headphones on and ignore the children.

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14 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey

When we bought our home my proposal was that I will make all the time he needs to garden/yardwork, but I will never, ever participate in it. Ever.

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14 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey, Kathleen Donahoe

My kids are in 8th & 11th grade and sometime in the last 2 years or so, we just stopped getting up with them in the morning or doing anything for them in the morning. They get themselves up & out the door on time without any daily prep from us. On WFH days, we are often waving goodbye to them from bed.

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I have successfully managed to teach (train? lol) my 9 and 10 year olds to get changed, do chores and make their breakfasts in the am (screens are the bribe, let me be clear) and it has leveled up my personal happiness a LOT.

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That’s my goal. I put this on the list and then took it off out of shame but I don’t make the kids brush their teeth in the mornings (my husband is Mr. “put off the dentist until you need a double root canal.” so I can’t put it on him). I know I should but they’ve gotten away with no cavities thus far. My older kid magically got some autonomy and started taking care of himself more. It makes me mad how much the 9 year old enjoys being a baby still. You’ve been up for 2 hours and you didn’t think to make yourself breakfast??

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We don’t require morning brushing either and last week my 8yo got in a heated discussion with the dentist about why she could not possibly. She flosses every night. She brushes every night but fucking terribly because we aren’t fighting that battle.

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My 9 year old also will not get himself breakfast. Definitely something to work on. Luckily my husband always does it. Payback for the first 3 years when I was always the one up at 5 am.

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13 hrs agoLiked by Kathleen Donahoe

This life is so good. I have a 14 and 13 year old, and they do mornings on their own as well. They are up at 6:30, and even though I'm up, I let them do breakfast and whatnot on their own before I come downstairs after 7:00. If they see me, they want me, so I just take my slow ass time. I have tea on my own, get some sort of morning stretch or workout in, and then we all hop in the car, and I take them to school. It's such a good flow, and only started to happen because I accidentally overslept a few days after some terrible jetlag. Reminds me that we have no idea what we are all capable of if we are stuck in our ruts all the time.

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14 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey, Kathleen Donahoe

Not a comment about chores I don't do, but on running! I became a mom at 40 and have been in constant struggle to get back into running. If you do that as a topic, please reach out!

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I will! Thank you! I'm glad people are intrigued by this topic.

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5 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey

Same! I took up running for the first time at 41 years old out of nowhere after being one of those "sure it's good for you. but at what cost?!" folks most of my life. I'm injured currently (boo) but it has connected me with so many wonderful ladies and given me something that's "mine."

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That’s great, @Christina Martinson was talking about moms deserving that time. I’m sorry about the injury—I hope it doesn’t last too long /hurt too bad

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15 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey, Kathleen Donahoe

I don't do the mornings, period. I sleep in until the last possible second and then get myself ready for work, kid-free. My husband gets the girls up, does their hair (much better than I ever could, he's a master braider), and gets them ready for school and daycare. In return though I do bedtime but as a night witch this is tolerable. The very few times I've had to get up with kids has made me regret having them altogether.

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I don't love mornings but I do love how there is an end in sight whereas with nighttime, you never really know. Could be bedtime or could stretch on way past bedtime. Cue the yelling.

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12 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey

I am the stay at home mom but I am also a teaching artist and a fiber artist (quilter) in general. So like my actual job description includes doing more household/family maintenance now than it did when I worked. Back before kids. But both sahm and artist are roles that will fill every single second of time they can find available to them, so I follow the rules of PBS famous quilter Liz Porter (also famous mother of white board wielding congressperson Katie Porter) and do my art/quilt stuff first. I prioritize it more than (or at least as much as) laundry and meals and house keeping. If I didn’t, I would almost never get to it. It is also my job. My husband contributes quite a bit and when I start to feel guilty that he is the breadwinner and the main vacuumer (or whatever), I think of it as “reclaiming female time” an act of freedom for me but also for my daughter’s future and also for other women who might be influenced by me to reclaim their time.

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the way I nodded at “But both sahm and artist are roles that will fill every single second of time they can find available to them”— that’s the thing, isn’t it? Black holes of need, both roles.

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For a long time I felt like I needed to get my dayjob work done before the kids got home so I could focus on up our family shit but lately my brain doesn't want to do a certain kind of work until a few hours after lunch. I've given up feeling like there's something wrong about me doing my work when they're home. It's not like they rush home from school desperate to spend time with mommy anyway.

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10 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey

🙌🏻

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12 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey, Kathleen Donahoe

Also Kathleen, how was I not subscribed to your substack!!!

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14 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey, Kathleen Donahoe

I don't iron and my husband does the majority of the cooking.

Also, hit me up for that post-40s runner convo. I started seriously running last year and am currently on my way to run the Detroit Marathon this Sunday. (Can't not talk about it, that's the first rule of running.)

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oh wow!! I hope you have a mostly-positive time (I know it’s probably a lot to expect every mile to feel great.) Congrats on making and working so hard on such a big goal!

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14 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey, Kathleen Donahoe

As the meal planner/grocery shopper/main dinner executor, I consider dishes to be Not My Problem and my husband does all of them. I assume the kids should start pitching in with them soon but teaching them to do dishes and setting up a system for them to do it is again: Not My Problem. Similar to the birthday gift idea, our kids have summer birthdays and my husband and I started taking turns being in charge of them. When it's my summer to not give a shit about sending out anybody's party invites I am so freeeeeeeee

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14 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey, Kathleen Donahoe

Similarly, I blocked paperless post from my email so all invites go to my husband 😈

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oooooooh I love that one!! I accidentally did that with Evite so I haven't been finding out about Connor/Jack/Max/Garrett etc's birthday party until another mom asks me if we're going and if we can carpool.

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this just made me want to scream with joy

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10 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey

Same. Husband is birthday party captain. Life changer

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I had a lady at the park tell me "It's so exhausting to do the dishes after making dinner for everyone every night. I'm hoping that when the boys are older [husband] will help a bit." She had 3 boys under 6. I yelled "WHAT?!" so loudly I think I scared her.

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PAJAMAS. they're a scam!! our toddler wears tomorrow's clothes to sleep. 1/2 the laundry, 1/2 the "please hurry up and get dressed" friction. I know that one day we will have to start wearing sleep-specific clothing, but not soon.

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mary. YES. yes. especially for toddlers who hate changing clothes!

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5 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey, Kathleen Donahoe

For real. My kids run hot - it can be cold AF outside and my kids will still be snuggled up in bed in nothing but their underwear.

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I cringed looking at a FB post where I acted like I was b a n a n a s for letting my toddler sleep in Halloween pj's three weeks before Halloween. Instead of ONLY on Halloween.

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my kids wear their Halloween jammies year round! I bought them ghosts last year at Target in enormous sizes, and they're still wearing them!

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The opposite! Our kid spends most non school days in his pjs and we’ve stopped caring if he goes to Target or wherever in pjs.

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YES! my kids wear the clothes they're going to wear the next day. they only want to wear athletic clothes anyway, so they're just as comfortable as pj's!

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and ps my oldest is 10 and we still do this

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13 hrs ago·edited 12 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey, Kathleen Donahoe

In our household, everyone over the age of nine is responsible for their own laundry, including bed linens. The youngest is in charge of washing all the towels. Everyone has a household chore that they are in charge of every week, and we have a schedule for walking the dog. I cook for my husband and myself with enough extra to feed the kids if they like, but most of the time they cook their own food (they are very picky.) The kids mow the lawn, shovel snow, and know how to use tools. These are only half controversial as my kids are biologically female and I either get a pat on the back for making sure that my kids are not "like other girls" or get flack for having them do traditionally male work. I give my husband some credit for what he does around the house given that he grew up with a live-in household staff including his own nanny. When he came to the US, he was determined to do things on his own, and he does for the most part (although it was hard to get him to understand that maintenance of young children was both our responsibility and not just mine.)

I grew up in a household where my father and brother cooked (my mother is not the best cook.) My father taught my brother and me how to use tools and do basic household maintenance. I grew up in Detroit, so car maintenance is also part of my nature (we could not graduate high school unless we could at least describe how to change a tire.) My husband and I both have our realms; I do the cooking, because I enjoy it. He is incharge of all that is IT related. We both work long hours. We both provide for our family, and we take care of each other.

I find it funny that there are people in the westernized North America think that basic self-maintenance and life skills are just for females. The independent spirit is what drives our culture, isn't it not? Then why perpetuate a dependence for basic life/survival skills? I just want to make sure that when the Zombie Apocalypse arrives, and the requirement for boarding the escape ship is to prove that you can properly do laundry and differentiate between a flathead and Philips screwdriver, that my family is allowed on board. To paraphrase the great Luther Ingram, (if this is) wrong, I don't wanna to be right.

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HAAAHHAHA, Mia I would like you to come to my house and Super Nanny us. Please, we need you.

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12 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey, Kathleen Donahoe

I stole the laundry idea from a family I lived with in grad school. I have to also give husband credit because he is the one who enforces household chores. Regardless of what it looks like on paper, our house is a cluttered mess led by me, the ADHD Queen. Husband is the neat and tidy one, but twenty+ years of marriage has beaten him, I mean, helped him accept my imperfections. ;)

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13 hrs agoLiked by Claire Zulkey, Kathleen Donahoe

I don't cook, I don't clean, but let me tell you how I got this ring OH SORRY that's something different

I don't cook, bake, make lunches, mow/etc outside. We send a cheque instead of doing school fundraising. None of us iron (except the perler bead hobby of 2016). I don't do cards/gifts/events for my spouse's side of the family. I consider the mental load and most of the indoor cleaning/laundry to be my contribution. (1 kid, smallish house)

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oh yes!! I don't do any inlaw communication. My mom witchily pointed out that my husband doesn't call her/get her a gift on mothers day/her birthday etc so why should I do the same for his mom? That sounds a lot more mean than in practice but it was more on the lines of why do you become the correspondent all of a sudden?

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